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Is copper really modern?

No, there is evidence of abo use of copper for stone tool production in North American and obvious use in Europe. However, I do not think modern processed copper could be considered abo.  I will be...

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Hi Mike hows the move going? Anyway I had wrote a post but it got deleted on accident. I will try to sum up my thoughts...my opinion on the Abo vs Copper theory is... if natives had the resources to...

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I was going through Notes today and found this from Henry Hudson September 1609-"Our men went on Land there, and saw great store of Men, Women and Children, who gave them Tabacco at their coming on...

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Russ, I'm already back.  It took 36 hours, but I'm back. Gotta find work before I can get the copper.Anywho, it is evident that they took advantage of anything that made their live easier, they took...

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Abo,This a bit off subject, but the reasonable expection is that the copper goods Hudson reports in 1609 were European in origin.  According to Charles Mann in his book 1491 Europeans were visiting...

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Mike glad your getting settled in on familiar ground. Looking forward to here the outcome of your research. One thing to take into account is coopers properties will change as it is used / worked. So...

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i had a chance to use a raw copper nugget back in july at the hairy mosquito knapp in i fellow come walking by and stopped to talk with myself and a couple of other knappers he pulled out of his...

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Hummingbird Point- Hudson noted the natives used copper in their pipes and inferred there was a natural source nearby that the natives used and yes Europeans had been in "North America" for over a 100...

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Just skimmed through that book 1492, Mann notes-over a thousand yeas before Europeans, Lake Superior copper was in Louisiana through native trade.

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http://www.jstor.org/action/showArticleImage?image=images%2Fpages%2Fdtc.50.tif.gif&suffix=4060840. Found this article and though it maybe of interest.

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So from what I'm reading- Native copper work isn't about smelting as much as creating objects of copper and copper leaf by hammering cold? So by making copper leaf, natives are allowed to apply it...

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Abo,See below:http://www.nativetech.org/metal/pipes.html A you note, trade networks were extensive.  Once you have a pipe, you don't need another one, so if the guy the next village over will give you...

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Found this site on native copper http://www.uwlax.edu/mvac/processarch/processarch/native_nativecopper.html

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Some more resources on native...

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I'm glad everyone is so interested.  It actually might not be until next year before I can stsrt things.  Until then, I'll play with the copper wire and avo techniques for working it.

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 Oh, I hope I didn't give the impression I doubted pre-contact copper use, I was just talking about the one specific example of the pipes. Here's a good site if you like pictures.  Many photos of...

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Well I've talked with some Archaeologist who deal with copper artifacts and asked about if there are any clues to finishes or lacquer. Unfortunately any organic material was long gone by the time the...

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Very interesting discussion. When I was a kid, we would clean copper pennies with hot sauce. The mixture contains vinegar and salt, two ingredients that can be used to clean copper. Another way to...

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Ask Larry Kinsella about the copper pressure flakers still in the bone that they excavated at cahokia.

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Just finished an experiment using stone tools and copper! Made a copper bead. If any knappers are interested in playing with copper....

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